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Good quote from today

During an iteration kickoff meeting--

"Guys, I know you're just becoming familiar with XYZ, but could you tell us when every un-scheduled downtime event is going to be this year?"

Promptly followed by:

"Can you go ahead and estimate the time to fix the bugs we haven't found yet?"

He was kidding. I think.

Published Aug 23 2005, 11:37 PM by Jeremy D. Miller

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HarryNieboer said:

Actually, you can estimate the time to fix the bugs that you have not found yet when
- you have an idea about the time you need to fix an average bug
- you have an idea about the number of bugs to come.
I leave the first metric up to your experience, the second can be estimated if you deliberately INSERTED some bugs into your application.
Say you inserted 20 bugs of all sorts, and until now people found 150 bugs, 5 of which were yours. Than you can estimate another 450 bugs to come to you, as around a quarter of the bugs are found up till now.

In a project where we developed and another party tested, we inserted bugs to get an idea on how good the other party did their testing work ...

Greetings
Harry

# August 23, 2005 4:13 PM

Jeremy D. Miller said:

Harry,

I hear what you're saying, but we're down to a bare handful of purely exceptional cases. Purposely introducing bugs?!? I had a business analyst who would routinely use very snide remarks and inside jokes in her requirements documents just to see how closely people were reading the documents.

# August 23, 2005 4:43 PM

Carlton said:

"I had a business analyst who would routinely use very snide remarks and inside jokes in her requirements documents just to see how closely people were reading the documents."

Without knowing all the actors or context, but on the surface that sounds like a cry for help...seriously. If the best way to get feedback on your work is to write provocative things, maybe one might be better off doing something else?

# August 23, 2005 5:07 PM

Jeremy D. Miller said:

Hence "previous employer." That poor lady is still there though.

# August 23, 2005 5:19 PM

Gary Williams said:

Yes, I was kidding -- still waiting for that estimate though.

# August 23, 2005 5:25 PM

Jeremy D. Miller said:

Here you go "Mr. I was a Mathmatics Major", I think it'll be 5 + 3i.

# August 23, 2005 5:30 PM

Gary Williams said:

I think your estimate is too complex and I suspect that you are using some imaginary facts to make it. Get Real, baby! I need a rational answer.

;-)

# August 23, 2005 6:52 PM

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Jeremy began his IT career writing "Shadow IT" applications to automate his engineering documentation, then wandered into software development because it looked like more fun. Jeremy previously worked as a systems architect building mission critical supply chain software for a Fortune 100 company and learned agile development practices as a .Net consultant at ThoughtWorks, one of the pioneers of agile development. Jeremy is the author of the open source StructureMap (http://structuremap.sourceforge.net) tool for Dependency Injection with .Net and the forthcoming StoryTeller (http://storyteller.tigris.org) tool for supercharged FIT testing in .Net. Jeremy's thoughts on just about everything software related can be found on his weblog "The Shade Tree Developer" at http://codebetter.com/blogs/jeremy.miller, part of the popular CodeBetter site. Jeremy is a Microsoft MVP for C#.

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